From: Anthony_Boyd (Original Message) Sent: 13/09/2000 2:52 AM
For those of you with broader experience in the martial arts. How would you apply the tactics in yedo 1 to unarmed combat?

I began by using spear hand, knife hand and ridge hand attacks in combination but while I am fond of these strikes artistically I do not think they are entirely practical as main offensive attacks.

From: DaeSan_JinHae Sent: 14/09/2000 9:25 AM
I tried and tried in my mind to use hand techniques in place of sword strikes in yedo one-but it just didn't click. The first opening movements seemed ok, start with a high block, low chop, then center punch, but after that forget it. I had many reasons. First the hand motions were to slow. Sword motions are much bigger motions which require more time. I felt if I performed each motion the way it is set up I would be hit 3 times before I ever got off one attack. Second I feel like the yedo forms were designed specifically for sword (short sword) combat. I personally enjoy using my mok gum, bong (staff), or dan gum (knife) while practicing unarmed forms. It is quite interesting and seems alot more feasable than using hand techniqes to sword forms. It gets you thinking quite a bit. Well that's my view anyway. How bout anyone else?


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From: Ron Sent: 16/09/2000 12:57 AM
I agree with Dae San. I was taught that the Yedo forms were designed to be used with hando and/or dando, against multiple opponents. (Whenever I think of this, I am reminded of the popular Korean painting of the ssang gum dance being performed by two coutesans weilding short swords.)

I think that any relationship between kumbup and kongsu techniques is based on ki flow and ... taijutsu, body technique, how the body flows in relation to that of the opponent. (What is taijutsu in Hangul?) Any direct technical realtionship is probably bogus (as our experience would indicate). Sure, you can throw a knife hand in where a cut should go, use an upper forearm block where mako should be, but translating kumbup into empty hand techniques leads to a complex physical interpretation, which I'm not sure was ever intended or warranted.

Most styles these days teach empty hand first and weapons second. The theory is that the student should get ki flowing in the body before trying to extend it into the sword (or other weapon). Ours is a martial art, born of necessity. Our forefathers in this practice didn't have time for empty hand learning (other than perhaps some ssirum, to overthrow an armored opponent and hack him to death on the ground). They had to learn kumbup. These days, we may use the pumsae as schematics to develop ki flow through empty hand movements, but I believe the intent was never for kongsu TECHNIQUE.



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From: Nelson Sent: 27/11/2000 10:55 AM
I have never thought of trying out HDG hyungs for unarmed applications. I'm gonna try these out for sure. And i'll let everybody know on my progress.

I have finished Ssang Su Gumbop, Yedo and i'm now starting bonguk gumbup 1. But I have been learing Wae-suh Gumbup on the side. I think that in terms of unarmed applications Wae-suh Gumbup would be the most fitting for that.






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From: andrew Sent: 17/06/2002 2:40 AM
I know that this is a late response but I have only just begun learning the yedo set and have not looked at this page before.

Ron asked:

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flow and ... taijutsu, body technique, how the body flows in relation to that of the opponent. (What is taijutsu in Hangul?) Any direct technical realtionship is
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Taichi is pronounced 'taeguk' in Korean (as in the flag 'taekuk-ki).

Andrew


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From: Anthony_Boyd Sent: 18/06/2002 6:39 AM
Somehow I don't think that's correct word...


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From: Ron Sent: 30/06/2002 1:41 PM
Taijutsu, in Jap., refers to body techniue, being able to allow the body to flow with the techniques being executed. It is not the same asteh Chi. tai chi (Kor. taeguk), which is taikyoku in Jap. Thanks anyway.