BataviaSamurang----30/05/2004 10:44 AM----Post Number: 1


Recently I was recently instructed by my sabomnim on SSGP 5. There is a part where have to roll on the ground after the jumping striking right and left cut. During the rolling that part , I noticed that my first sabonim taught that while right hand holding the mokgum, my left hand palm touch the ground to support the first roll so that the back of the right shoulder fall first instead of the right arm sides.
The next day , my 2nd sabomnim taught that it should be ONLY the right arm holding the mokgum that touch the ground, the left hand has no part at all.
and the rest are the same.
I questioned this on my 2nd sabomnim , that I thought the left hand should be on the use to support to initiate the fall on the back of the shoulder, but he said that was wrong.
Since English is not spoken really well by both Sabomnim ( during the training, mix of Bahasa , Korean & English are spoken ), I dropped the idea of asking them further because I dont want any misunderstanding arise and it is at times difficult to comprehend the instructions in all 3 language all at once especially technical terms are used.
My question for HDGD senior practioners out there, what is the correct way to do it ? The reason is I prefer to use both hands just like the first Sabomnim taught, but then again I really need to know the correct one.
I really appreciate any input from anyone. Thank you for your kind attention

CMA-Casey----30/05/2004 4:37 PM----Post Number: 2


Hello BataviaSamurang. There are a few variations of the performance of that roll, especially while using a mokgum, so both of your sabumnims may be correct. The important thing to keep in mind is that when you perform ssangsu gumbup #5 while using a kagum or jingum you'll have to use your left hand/arm to hold your scabbard in such a position as to avoid breaking it. I was taught to pull the scabbard around to the front of my body with my left hand/arm after completing the left cut and hold it there throughout the roll. While doing that, the student can hold his scabbard in position with his left hand and roll starting with his right shoulder or hold his scabbard in position with his left arm while his left hand is positioned by his right shoulder in such a way that when he starts the roll it is his left hand that makes contact with the ground first, thus helping to break his fall.

Please let me know if that doesn't make sense so that maybe I can explain it a little better.

Anthony_Boyd----01/06/2004 8:24 AM----Post Number: 3


As Casey mentions there may be several things going on and it can be a big help to realize that most instructors teach forms in their simplest versions, but some do not. Because the moggum is much less dangerous to practice with you can get away with easier techniques when learning some new material.

In this case, the roll can be done without worrying about a scabbard at all, or it can be done while removing the scabbard completely from the belt, or it can be done by pulling the scabbard out almost all the way out to the left, or it can be done by pulling the scabbard around to the front of the body and rolling over it. That's a lot of options.

Your first instructor could be expecting you to not worry about the scabbard just yet, or he might be planning for you to take the scabbard out of your belt completely. Either option will allow you to use your left hand to facilitate the roll.

Your second instructor pretty clearly wants your left hand to be free and the only reason that could be is to deal with the scabbard.

If you are new to shoulder rolls, my suggestion for your free time is to practice the roll in isolation, on a nice mat to reduce the wear and tear of practice (overpractice can cause shoulder problems) using both hands. As you get more comfortable, work on using just one hand. Don't forget to practice on both sides! When it is time, your instructors will have you practice with a scabbard.

BataviaSamurang----01/06/2004 9:19 AM----Post Number: 4


Thanks to both of you, that certainly helps me to understand the roll better.

By the way, practising both sides of the shoulder is that for balancing the wear and tear of each side of the shoulder or there is an additional practise in the future that may require the other side of the shoulder ?

Kindly advice. Thank you

Anthony_Boyd----01/06/2004 8:05 PM----Post Number: 5


Lots of techniques await you in the future...

Ryan----01/06/2004 10:30 PM----Post Number: 7


Shim-sang gumbup has a left side roll. I think it's a good idea to start practicing both at the same time.