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 Post subject: Even my Sabunim doesn't know
PostPosted: Sat Nov 12, 2005 7:47 am 
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What is the correct pronounciastions for granmaster, as in Kim and Park?

http://www.ushaidong.com/homepage.htm

My Sabunim deson't know either

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For the WORD "grandmaster" in Korean or for their actual names?

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Grandmaster as president Kim

Kim Chong Jae Nim

Grandmaster Park, DJ Park

Chong Kwan Jang Nim



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 07, 2006 8:45 pm 
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For the president of the federation:
say "Chung Jae Nim"

For everyone else, it would depend on their rank, which association they belong to, and their rank within the federation itself. As I am not sure which "Park" you mean, I can't help you with that unless you can tell me the full name of the person.
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Park Dong Jin is his name. He's the WHDGD Director of International Education, Technical Director for the eastern U.S., and Headmaster at the dojang that also serves as the U.S. HDGD Association headquarters located just outside of Philadelphia, PA. He asks people (non-Koreans, that is) to refer to him as Master D.J. Park presumably because it's easier for them to pronounce. I believe he is 6th dan currently.


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The federation website lists Master Park as a "Master of International Education" I also would like to know the correct hangul spelling and pronunciation/romanisation.


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Romanised; Park Dong-Jin
Hangul; ???



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Hey Charlie, I can spell Park. . . I would like the correct form of respectful address for "Master of International Education" especially if there is a shorter form


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Please pardon my Korean. Master Gihm or Master Sung, please correct accordingly;

Romanised: Gook-Jei-Gyo-Yuk-Kuk-Jang Park Dong-Jin

Korean: ?????? ???

Frankly, I've never bothered too much with the official names and such. Seldom will a teacher be offended because you used the wrong name, since he probably understands that you don't speak Korean! In any case, using the Korean word for "teacher" (sonsaengnim) will bring a smile to any instructor's lips. I refer to my own teacher that way.



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Thanks, Charlie. Your romanisation agrees with mine although I don't know if I can commit that one to memory. I will try it out next time I see Master Park.


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 10, 2006 10:06 pm 
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Please do not call Master Park "Gook-jae-gyo-yuk-guk-jang Park Dong-Jin.
You would be insulting him.
It is totally impolite and improper to call him by name. In Korea, only a very close friend of mine may call me by my full name. It is extremely rude if a student, or anyone else called him by his full name, even while using his title, which, by the way, is not corect to use in a conversation.
"Master Park" is the most polite and correct way to address him. All the rest of us CAN NOT use his full name.



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I think that merits more explanation. I'll start but first I'd like to point out that this question was answered much farther up the thread by Brian Gihm who advised people to call Master Park by the title Chong Kwanjang-nim. That is, after all, what he is - the head of a regional federation. If there were more than one person of this rank present, you would need to include the family name to allow for differentiation. In this case, Park Chong Kwanjang-nim. The 'o' in chong is long [as in the word 'go'].

*Remember the "nim" is added by people when referring to the person. It's an honorific. Master Park wouldn't use it to refer to himself or necessarily to those below him in rank.

Example:

    My instructor asks me: Have you spoken with Kwon Sabum today?

    I respond: No, Kwanjang-nim, I haven't spoken with Kwon Sabum-nim today.

In a printed booklet you might see at one of the Championships, where it lists the names of the officials present, you might see our Federation President listed as Chongjae Kim Jeong Ho, and you might see the Canadian Regional President listed as Chong Kwanjang Chung Moon Gap, etc.

When responding to them, you would refer to them by title and add 'nim'. You call our President "Chongjae-nim" in any situation. If you were with a regional head alone, they would be addressed as Chong Kwanjang-nim, in a group of assembled regional heads, they would be referred to as Surname Chong Kwanjang-nim.

There are plenty of situations in life where you will encounter the use of the full name both in print and in speech. In conversation, obviously, you will not employ a person's full name in Korean any more than you would do so in English.

Example:

    Anthony: So, Casey Rogers, have you been splashed by any good buses lately?

    Casey: No, Anthony Boyd, I haven't had that opportunity since I stopped hanging out with you on the mean streets of Seoul.


This doesn't happen in English and it doesn't happen in Korean either... thankfully.
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:lol:

Unfortunately, Anthony Boyd, since then I've been splashed by some stuff at work that I wish was as favorable as being splashed with dirty street water by a bus. :cry:


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huh????

Mr. Anthony Boyd, you forgot 'Mr.' in your sentences. Time to renew TESOL. hehe



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Can you imagine? Now THAT would really suck!

There is a student here who, when he encounters me in the halls, salutes and calls me Mr. Anthony Boyd, Sir. He seems peculiarly resistant to correction.

This can be particularly embarrassing when in a restaurant or in the street...
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