This kind of stems from the thread about the use of the free hand.

I was wondering about everyone's experience with non-blade attacks, such as the chest attack with the butt of the sword in shimsang.

It's been my experience that these are few and far between. do others' experiences include more of these attacks than just the ones in shimsang, ssgb 6 + 8, and ydgb 3 +6?

when teaching these techniques to students, what information is given about the why's and wherefore's of the technique in terms of target, body-height, blade location, etc?

just curious.

SSGB #5: Right after responding to the four different directions pivot to your left into jochun-se striking your opponent on the left side of his neck with the spine of your blade.

I've never really understood the legitimacy of this move. I figure the intent is either to not bring harm to that opponent or the range is meant to be such that the tip of your sword cuts him. Personally, it makes more sense to me to change the move from a swing to a thrust. Please enlighten me.

SSGB #10: A variation of the end is that when you bring the butt of your sword down into your left palm you're holding the back of your opponent's head and smashing his face.

YDGB #3: After the spin in which you thrust your sword to your rear (right hand overhand grip) you lunge forward into a right foot forward sodo-se with a simultaneous punch to your forward opponent's solar plexis with the butt of your sword.

i'm afraid i'm not sure about where your description of ssgb 5 happens. could you elaborate? i'm sorry i'm not following.

as for ssgb10, that's pretty cool and it brings another question:

where do you stop the sword and palm? i learned jochunse height, but i have seen it done as low as waist height. anyone else on this move?

at any rate and at any height, that's an interesting application. i kind of like it, then again, i can be a little morbid at times

I think Casey meant to type 6 instead of 5.

ah, i should've picked up on that. at any rate, here's what i learned about it:

i had thought the same as you, Casey. i asked an i was told to think of it this way: someone is running at you. you turn, swing and stop pointing at them, letting them impale themselves.

Correct.

SSGB #6: When you draw as you slide or leap to your right you could be bringing the butt of your sword down onto your opponent's face or chest or you could be attacking (or trapping) your opponent's right lower arm as they attempt to draw their own sword. Either way, the follow up move is a chin strike from below to your opponent's chin with your sword's butt.

Unless you're hitting their face, I don't see where it makes much difference where you stop your sword and palm.

actually, in my original post, i was (poorly) referring to that one, which is why i was/is curious about body height and blade location.

i learned it is a low (as in body height) movement where the butt stops the opponents sword at the gummaki, preventing a draw (although a little difficult to pull off )

I learned that the blade is to be tilted away from the opponent. if one looks at the white book, however, the sword is almost perfectly vertical. to me, that would make the chin strike difficult. that made me wonder if that is their intent. which is why i am curious about what others have learned as the application of this movement (and others).

Keep 'em comin'!! let's get as many out as we can.

In their video, the demonstrator demonstrates the gumbup at speed first and then slower in a more step-by-step manner. In both cases the demonstrator stops the butt of his sword at approximately waist height with his sword angled away from him to almost a 30 degree angle. It could simply be a disparity between the video and the book or an example of the shortcomings a photograph presents. However, given the way that particular move is demonstrated in the video it's possible that a combination could be employed - a simultaneous strike to the opponent's lower right arm and a vertical slash to their face. Whether or not that's the intent of the move in the video is another matter.

A lot of their schools taught the draw in six as a cut to the attackers sword arm. As there were a few of these already, things went back to what they were and a focus on the pommel strike returned. The target is one of opportunity. If you can nail the hand you will get maximum effect. [on an armoured opponent].

I'll add more to this thread later today - gotta run.

Let's start with Ssangsu Gumbub...

SSGB3: Some lineages:upward pommel strike during draw
SSGB4: clear/throat rip with back of point after repeated sodosae section
SSGB6: downward pommel strike on draw, upward pommel strike next, rip with back
of point after X section [older lineages].
SSGB8: horizontal pommel strike on draw
SSGB10: some lineages: secured pommel strike before sheathing
SSGB12: strike with flat on blade, hand, or weapon arm during turn-about sections